Even to our own children, when they are crying their heart out, we are not in the habit of telling fabulous stories to soothe them. (!!)

Clement of Alexandria, an early Church Father, Exhortations to the Greeks (c 190 AD)

From Jules

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Thursday, 27 October 2005

If the move of the jews from Egypt occured in the 1200 -1300 b.c. then it is also possible that Moses and his followers were the believers of the god ATON introduced by the Faraon in 1367-b.c. throught 1350 when he was mnuirdered. Aton's faiths was the first MONOTEISTIC ,. Would it be possible to conclude that Moses got the idea of JEHOVA fron the cult of ATON ?

A lot of people make that assumption, but it has to depend on there ever having been anyone called Moses. Akhenaten was an apparently monotheistic king of Egypt, his god being the sun god, but there is no sign in history that there ever was a Moses. Moses is a Jewish myth. He is the Jewish equivalent of Aeneus, a hero of a foundation myth. Two million people living in Sinai for forty years cannot have left no noticeable traces, especially as 38 of them were spent in one place! The myth was invented in the third century by the Egyptian Ptolemies in cahoots with the Jewish priests, recently freed from the power of Persia. It was the Persians who founded Judaism. It has been clear enough for a long time but believers try to ignore it, and so the public can never find the truth. The historical evidence is getting so strong that there are few scholars who believe any of the bible before Omri. He was the first king of Samaria, otherwise called Israel by the biblicists. It is all on the website, though it is a lot to digest.

Thanks for your comments. It is possible that moses has been invented by the Jews. It is true however that the first monoteism was in fact in egypt - and many egyptian believs have been incorporated in the Christian faith impregnation of the faraon consort by the god.

The monotheism of Akhenaten was probably more monotheistic than the religion that Christians think is. Christianity has a vast number of little gods called by various names as well as a high god called God and a wicked god, just as powerful as the high god, since the one cannot defeat the other. Even two gods stops a religion from being monotheistic, but millions of angels, devils, saints and martyrs, as well as ordinary people who become gods, according to Christian bishops, because they remain alive, and it is a property of gods and not human beings that they are immortal. So, it cannot matter who invented pure monotheism, if our religions are not it, but are only called it to sound good. Christianity and Judaism come from Persian Zoroastrianism, but no religion can escape influence from others nearby, and especially when one country takes over another. The Egyptians took over Judah when the Ptolemies ruled there and influenced Judaism then. That is when they wrote the myth of Moses. Moses was Ezra mythologized.

There is a book by a man called Robert Feather about the Copper Scroll, that you might like if you are keen on Akhenaten as the origin of Moses. Feather relates the Essenes to Akhenaten, but his evidence is tenuous, much of it depending on the similarities that most religions and peoples in the ANE have, as well as the similarities of all sun religions, and such like. As you say, Egypt has had a profound effect on Judah but it has little to do with Judaism.